Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. How about that but the double arrow in red? [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. It'll be operated quite differently. Press J to jump to the feed. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. The attachments illustrate this. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . JavaScript is disabled. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Swiss rail. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . They are an intercity operator. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. [citation needed]. Job done. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. The name is still awful though and far too long. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Wholely agree. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Old does not necessarily = bad. It really does look dire. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? Which does what it says on the tin. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. Why? True. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. Home Forums It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. Home Forums This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. JavaScript is disabled. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. The double arrow is still overused, though. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). for some form of co-branding. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. 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